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	<title>Comments on: Re-visioning the Chamber: Defining Objectives</title>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/02/re-visioning-the-chamber-defining-objectives/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s factor in the possibility that commuter rail will come back to Broadway. If it comes off the BNSF route around 16th and travels down Broadway, by the time it passes NE 3rd and Gaylord it will elevate back up to the BNSF tracks and become part of the transit center. If that&#039;s the case, there would be a station on Gaylord between 3rd and 4th, right in front of the Chamber site. If they think far enough ahead (as Chambers are supposed to do), they would welcome this opportunity to be front and center with commuter transit, and tie the station in to their new office building. At the very least, just don&#039;t front it too close to Gaylord so as to interfere with this concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s factor in the possibility that commuter rail will come back to Broadway. If it comes off the BNSF route around 16th and travels down Broadway, by the time it passes NE 3rd and Gaylord it will elevate back up to the BNSF tracks and become part of the transit center. If that&#8217;s the case, there would be a station on Gaylord between 3rd and 4th, right in front of the Chamber site. If they think far enough ahead (as Chambers are supposed to do), they would welcome this opportunity to be front and center with commuter transit, and tie the station in to their new office building. At the very least, just don&#8217;t front it too close to Gaylord so as to interfere with this concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/02/re-visioning-the-chamber-defining-objectives/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George -

I think your assessment is correct.  The current rendition of the Chamber site plan falls short in a number of ways.  I don&#039;t feel that design guidelines should always be strictly applied, but the current site plan violates the spirit and intent of the code.  Therefore I find myself squarely in the group making the first of your two assumptions.  

These design guidelines were formulated to make downtown more urban.  We have used a variety of phrases over the years to describe this urban quality and its components, like: &quot;24/7 community&quot;, &quot;thriving&quot;,  &quot;mixed-use&quot;, &quot;urban density&quot;, &quot;pedestrian-friendly&quot;, etc, etc.  Unfortunately the current site plan is clearly inspired by something other than this urbanity which we seek.

I share your concerns for the detrimental effect that this project might have on the future credibility of the downtown code.  The code was installed after a legitimate public process that invited stakeholder input and valued transparency.  Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the process by which the Chamber proposal was approved and it is sad to realize that a project that has so much potential to benefit downtown, may actually represent a significant step backwards.

All that said, I think it is important to remember that it is not too late to take another course.  We still have time to offer up alternative ideas.  If we can create an alternative proposal that meets the objectives of all parties involved, then there is no reason why it should not be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George -</p>
<p>I think your assessment is correct.  The current rendition of the Chamber site plan falls short in a number of ways.  I don&#8217;t feel that design guidelines should always be strictly applied, but the current site plan violates the spirit and intent of the code.  Therefore I find myself squarely in the group making the first of your two assumptions.  </p>
<p>These design guidelines were formulated to make downtown more urban.  We have used a variety of phrases over the years to describe this urban quality and its components, like: &#8220;24/7 community&#8221;, &#8220;thriving&#8221;,  &#8220;mixed-use&#8221;, &#8220;urban density&#8221;, &#8220;pedestrian-friendly&#8221;, etc, etc.  Unfortunately the current site plan is clearly inspired by something other than this urbanity which we seek.</p>
<p>I share your concerns for the detrimental effect that this project might have on the future credibility of the downtown code.  The code was installed after a legitimate public process that invited stakeholder input and valued transparency.  Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the process by which the Chamber proposal was approved and it is sad to realize that a project that has so much potential to benefit downtown, may actually represent a significant step backwards.</p>
<p>All that said, I think it is important to remember that it is not too late to take another course.  We still have time to offer up alternative ideas.  If we can create an alternative proposal that meets the objectives of all parties involved, then there is no reason why it should not be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/02/re-visioning-the-chamber-defining-objectives/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blair, in this series you&#039;ve laid out a thoughtful and detailed position that the Downtown Design Code and the Chamber Site Plan are in conflict.  How someone responds to this conclusion probably depends upon the underlying assumptions one brings to the issue:

1) If the assumption is that the Downtown Design Code is important and meant to be generally applied, then this conflict with the Chamber Plan is troublesome.  Logically, we should examine the Design Code and the Chamber Plan, reaffirm which one is correct and then modify the other so that the conflict is resolved.

2) Alternatively, if the assumption is that the Downtown Design Code is of questionable importance or not meant to be generally applied, then the conflict is less troublesome and does not necessarily require resolution.  From a practical standpoint, however, holding this opinion would seem to erode our ability (and maybe determination) to enforce the Downtown Design Code in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair, in this series you&#8217;ve laid out a thoughtful and detailed position that the Downtown Design Code and the Chamber Site Plan are in conflict.  How someone responds to this conclusion probably depends upon the underlying assumptions one brings to the issue:</p>
<p>1) If the assumption is that the Downtown Design Code is important and meant to be generally applied, then this conflict with the Chamber Plan is troublesome.  Logically, we should examine the Design Code and the Chamber Plan, reaffirm which one is correct and then modify the other so that the conflict is resolved.</p>
<p>2) Alternatively, if the assumption is that the Downtown Design Code is of questionable importance or not meant to be generally applied, then the conflict is less troublesome and does not necessarily require resolution.  From a practical standpoint, however, holding this opinion would seem to erode our ability (and maybe determination) to enforce the Downtown Design Code in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/02/re-visioning-the-chamber-defining-objectives/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am interested by the idea that as a pseudo-governmental entity the Chamber HQ is like a civic building, and therefore it is &quot;appropriate&quot; to not have a mix of uses in the building. While I think being a single-use structure is something that the Chamber might appreciate, retail on that location could funnel some of the Automobile Alley retail energy down into the CBD or across the tracks where there will be space in the ground floors of housing developments. So I really think a retail function would help with the &quot;impetus for further development&quot; goal.

That said, it&#039;s the Chamber of Commerce, and one of the best in the nation- further development will be encouraged by people working inside the building no matter what it looks like on the outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am interested by the idea that as a pseudo-governmental entity the Chamber HQ is like a civic building, and therefore it is &#8220;appropriate&#8221; to not have a mix of uses in the building. While I think being a single-use structure is something that the Chamber might appreciate, retail on that location could funnel some of the Automobile Alley retail energy down into the CBD or across the tracks where there will be space in the ground floors of housing developments. So I really think a retail function would help with the &#8220;impetus for further development&#8221; goal.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s the Chamber of Commerce, and one of the best in the nation- further development will be encouraged by people working inside the building no matter what it looks like on the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/02/re-visioning-the-chamber-defining-objectives/comment-page-1/#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane - 

Good question.  

I would say all of the objectives are challenging depending on the degree to which you want to achieve them.  For instance, providing a site for a 50,000 square foot building on a 3 acre piece of property is a piece of cake, but providing a site that maximizes the buildings prominence and iconic status introduces a range of options and challenges.  Still, while the two you mention are certainly formidable, I would say that #4 - &quot;serving as an impetus for further development&quot; - is the greatest challenge because it deals with development off of the site that the Chamber has no direct control over.  To be successful in achieving this the Chamber site will have to create benefits that overflow into adjacent areas - no small tasks.

So what is your overall opinion of the objectives?  Do you think we are missing anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane &#8211; </p>
<p>Good question.  </p>
<p>I would say all of the objectives are challenging depending on the degree to which you want to achieve them.  For instance, providing a site for a 50,000 square foot building on a 3 acre piece of property is a piece of cake, but providing a site that maximizes the buildings prominence and iconic status introduces a range of options and challenges.  Still, while the two you mention are certainly formidable, I would say that #4 &#8211; &#8220;serving as an impetus for further development&#8221; &#8211; is the greatest challenge because it deals with development off of the site that the Chamber has no direct control over.  To be successful in achieving this the Chamber site will have to create benefits that overflow into adjacent areas &#8211; no small tasks.</p>
<p>So what is your overall opinion of the objectives?  Do you think we are missing anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which of the six objectives at the end would you say are most challenging? I&#039;m thinking &quot;appropriate&quot; convenient parking and pedestrian connections across EK Gaylord would be troublesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which of the six objectives at the end would you say are most challenging? I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;appropriate&#8221; convenient parking and pedestrian connections across EK Gaylord would be troublesome.</p>
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